245mpg Electric Car

by on 2010/10/13


Electric car does the equivalent to 245mpg www.current.tv

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cloudburstlenepmhq October 13, 2010 at 1:04 AM

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surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 1:33 AM

@fticobraman Ok I took another look and found a nuclear power plant in France called the Cattenom that produces 5,448MW. Thanks a lot for the inquiry, I’ll keep this info in mind for the next person.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 2:03 AM

@fticobraman I do realize that solar panels take materials, but solar panels can be reused…. gas can not. Burn it once, emit pollution, gas is gone, go make more. Gas is a never ending cycle of producing, transporting, and burning. Burning and polluting all the while. Solar panels, are a make once, install and use its energy. Once installed, pollution practically stops, but energy keeps coming.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 3:02 AM

@lamgbgbg Not saying it cant be done, just that its expensive on the gas station owner and unless required by law, the gas station owners will not install them until a lot of cars run on it… Car buyers will not buy propane powered cars until most gas stations offer it. Starting to see a problem here? Electric is everywhere.

fticobraman October 13, 2010 at 3:49 AM

@surreal5335 2800MW nuclear power plants dont exsist! The largest one designed is the EPR and is only 1600MW. Get your facts straight.

fticobraman October 13, 2010 at 4:05 AM

@surreal5335 What do you think it takes to build those solar panels?

fticobraman October 13, 2010 at 4:17 AM

Have you ever figured out how much energy it takes to make that Hydrogen in a usable form? It takes much more energy than an ICE for the same distance traveled. Hydrogen is NOT the solution by far!

USAon3 October 13, 2010 at 4:56 AM

245 miles per gallon of what? Last I checked, electricity doesn’t come in a liquid form. So what does this run on? If anything other than electricity, it’s not an “electric” car at all – it’s a hybrid.

Nice try, but fail.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 5:02 AM

@lamgbgbg I am not saying it cant be done, It should work just fine… But getting a system like that put in place in all gas stations so it will become the new major fuel for most of the cars on the road will take a lot of money, time, regulation, and cooperation. The reason why EVs work better is bc everyone can recharge their car at home right now. This makes switching to EV a much easier transition

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 5:15 AM

@lamgbgbg I am not saying it cant be done, It should work just fine… But getting a system like that put in place in all gas stations so it will become the new major fuel for most of the cars on the road will take a lot of money, time, regulation, and cooperation. The reason why EVs work better is bc everyone can recharge their car at home right now. This makes switching to EV a much easier transition

lamgbgbg October 13, 2010 at 5:23 AM

@surreal5335 Installing propane tanks at ALL gas stations is done before decades in the Balkan countries, because propane is much cheaper.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 6:08 AM

@Texmurphy51 I am not a big fan of propane and natural gas, I understand its cleaner, but I feel like it would not provide as much performance or range. Plus installing propane tanks at all gas stations would be expensive and probably not pan out well. I am a huge fan of hydrogen, same performance as gas engines but 100% clean (or atleast it could be when considering power plants). Problem still remains about getting fuel to the masses. Thats why I support EV, electricity is everywhere.

Texmurphy51 October 13, 2010 at 6:38 AM

@surreal5335 Ok so 8.25% of electricity is used to produce gas at the oil refinery. 10% to 12% is lost in the lines providing it. The industrial energy used is twice that of residential. I am going to try & send u a graph of US energy usage. Do you know it takes more energy to create a gallon of methanol than the energy provided by the methanol? Thats another great enviormental idea to replace Oil. Methanol is a net LOSS.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 7:24 AM

@Texmurphy51 Its not half the power used total, its half of the industrial power used.
industrial power 33% of total produced
oil refineries 43% of industrial
gas produced at oil refinery 45% of all products made
33% / 2 for oil refinery /2 for gas produced… (rough formula)
8.25% of all electricity produced is used just to make gas at the oil refinery alone. Thats a rough number that could be worse.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 7:43 AM

@Texmurphy51 Laws will always be broken, but w/out them the abuse would be much worse. Yes there is no alternative to oil and coal other than Nuclear, solar, wind, and hydro damns. All of which are much cleaner on the environment.
Advantages of batteries:
recharge while driving
allows clean silent electric motors (I remember you saying noise is a priority)
can be placed on car almost anywhere
AGAIN both are equally inefficient. One is just much cleaner than the other.

Texmurphy51 October 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM

@surreal5335 Part 2 Gov Regulations… Lets see we banned Nuclear plants because Gov Regulations allowed 3mile island. Auto tires are dumped everywhere dispite Gov Regulations. AGAIN, there is no alternative to Oil & Coal other than Nuclear. Batteries have no play in it. There is no efficiency advantage to batteries, there is only downside to using them. No matter what regulations it will get into the envio just as MFG Solar Panels dumps NF3 & silicon tetrachloride.

Texmurphy51 October 13, 2010 at 8:46 AM

@surreal5335 Part 1 You dont understand, you cant rate wind farms by Mega Watts. Thats Peak instant Power. You have to rate at MWH. A 1.5MW turbine can only produce about 30% of that on average. Power plants produce 100% continuously. You have to look at the farms MWH output for a year to understand. Where did you get the idea that refineries consume half the power used? They heat & do fractional distillation & seperate products. You mean they burn a barrel of oil for each refined? continued..

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 8:57 AM

@Texmurphy51 with batteries, its like nuclear waste. As its use grows, regulations will be placed requiring stringent handling procedures to make it more eco-friendly. The toxic materials can be contained. Smog emitted from oil refineries, gas engines, coal plants, and oil tankers cant be. The only way to completely contain it is shut it down. Oil spills also are very hard to contain as well. And devastating on the environment.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 9:24 AM

@Texmurphy51 While nuclear can easily produce up to 2800MW for one plant. Coal plants in the US produce about as much as the larger wind farms 400-1000MW. Nuclear is much safer than coal, predictable fuel costs, found in the US, and the waste can be recycled. Coal cant recycle the smog. Plus w/out gas, oil refineries wont be needed nearly as much which would drop industrial energy consumption a lot. Refineries consume almost half of the energy used by the industrial sector.

Texmurphy51 October 13, 2010 at 9:54 AM

@surreal5335 You dont get it. The power plants will still be there with electric cars. Wind will never even come close to making a dent in our energy needs. Without a REAL alternative Electric will not shut down any of those coal plants. Batteres because of their weight are only good storage stationary not mobile. Envior polution are high with lead acid, nicad & lithium. These metals on a mass scale will get out into the enviornment. Ultra light, Ultra capacitor might be good for Hybrid Cars.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 10:45 AM

@Texmurphy51 For places that need lots of reliable power in a small space, but still doesnt add smog to the air, nuclear powered on thorium is the better option. Waste is contained, and very efficiently recycled into new fuel. Plus dead and heavily used batteries are now able to be replenished, giving them new life w/out even opening them up. With a few tools you can do it in your garage. The guy that patented the process claims the batteries work better than when they were first purchased.

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 11:18 AM

@Texmurphy51 I never said wind would replace, just help. A wind farm in TX powers produces 780MW. Solar farms produce 20-60MW. These technologies are good wide open areas with wind and sun… deserts and oceans. Nobody wants to live there. Coal plants create lung cancer, heart attacks, asthma, etc. Have you been on a freeway? The noise from gas powered vehicles is very loud. Sure you have tire noise as well, but the engine makes up for a lot of the noise.

Texmurphy51 October 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM

@surreal5335 Part 2 No plans are made to deconstruct them after their 20 year life. If we bring electric cars online the figures will go up, drastically. So you tell me how long will it take to construct the 3.5Million + turbines? Where do you put them. I have a Wind Farm 20 miles away in Somerset Pa & its a nightmare for those living close to it. Noise & strobing light from the blades.

Texmurphy51 October 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM

@surreal5335 Part 1 Well you apparently have not really looked into Wind Farms. To replace just the existing electric grid, with no electric cars, would require a minimum of 3.3 MILLION 1.5MW GE wind turbines. This is with NO standby capacity wich is filled in by DIRTY fast start turbines as used in Europe. This is based on the best wind sites in the world. In the life of a wind turbine it takes almost 2 years of running just to pay the energy back to Mfg, transport & install it. Cont..

surreal5335 October 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM

@Texmurphy51 Seeing as Nuclear has great potential for being very clean, and oil has none… EVs dont need oil or coal, thats just the common technology for electricity… its old, polluting and needs to be replaced.
A large wind farm outside of the bay area in CA is powering a few cities currently. Its very large, but no toxic waste or smog is created from it. So EVs in the bay area probably are getting their power from the wind.
Plus AC is better for hills and constant power than DC.

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